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Originally Posted by Tom Stock
I didn't see anybody "hating" anything, but certainly plenty of heated discussion with varying opinions. The last part about the quick release is particularly interesting because if Dimitri would just agree to incorporate the ideas into the next version of the quick release (whether it ever actually happens or not) he would win over a bunch more people RIGHT THERE IN THE THREAD.
That is what i find most interesting... customers asking repeatedly for something and the company telling them they can never have it. Problem is the customers have the money.
Just a few lines of text from Dimitri could change the entire thread...
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THERE WILL BE AN ECLIPSE DEMO DAY AT EITHER EAST BEACH OR NORTH BEACH ON SUNDAY DEPENDING ON WIND DIRECTION FOR ALL LOCALS TO COME OUT AND TRY THE 2008 THRUSTERS FOR THEMSELVES BEFORE COMMENTING ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ANY ASPECT OF THE KITES. THIS WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THAT ARE SKEPTICAL ON THE ECLIPSE QR TO TRY FOR THEMSELVES TO SEE HOW GREAT THIS SYSTEM REALLY IS. THESE KITES ARE MADE BY THE RIDERS, FOR THE RIDERS WITH 100% RIDER INPUT DURING THE R & D PHASE EACH AND EVERY YEAR. DIMITRI, CHRIS, MOMI AND THE OTHER POWERS THAT BE AT ECLIPSE USE NOTHING BUT RIDER INPUT FROM BEGINNERS THRU PROS TO HELP DEVELOP EACH AND EVERY ASPECT OF THESE KITES. TRY THEM AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
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Pull loops require too much effort to locate unless they are huge, and then you risk hooking into the loop itself by accident.
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TOM, YOU YOURSELF HAVE ADMITTED THAT THE 1 TIME YOU HAD A FAILED QR ON A PULL LOOP WAS WHEN THE KITE COMPANY IN QUESTION (NOT ECLIPSE) HAD SENT IT TO YOU FROM THE FACTORY RIGGED INCORRECTLY. YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU HAD TIME TO BOTH LOCATE THE LOOP AND PULL ON IT SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR WORDS 'WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT' WHILE THE KITE WAS LOOPING BUT IT DID NOT RELEASE BECAUSE IT WAS RIGGED IMPROPERLY (BY THE MANUFACTURER). HOW IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE 2008 ECLIPSE QR? BECAUSE IT WAS A PULL LOOP? IT WOULD HAVE WORKED FINE HAD IT BEEN RIGGED PROPERLY, CORRECT? WHAT IT TELLS ME IS THAT A PULL LOOP IS AS EASILY LOCATED AS ANYTHING ELSE SEEING AS HOW FAST YOU WERE MOVING DURING THAT KITEMARE, I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE THAT DAY AND WATCHED THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN IN NO MORE THAN 5 SECONDS. IT WAS GOOD TO SEE YOU WALK AWAY FROM THAT ONE... I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER PULL MY QR THAN HAVE TO LOCATE AND THEN PUSH FORWARD ANY DAY OF THE WEEK...HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PUSH WHEN YOU ARE BEING PULLED AT MACH 10??? MUCH EASIER TO YANK ON A QR LOOP IMO...JUST TRY THE KITES ON SUNDAY TOM, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS A VERY EFFICIENT SYSTEM.
