These are the best examples I could find. I still think he is throwing a tad later compared to me a Danny. But this is about what they look like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqQarB1pvEw

They start off late (safe) and get progressively more aggressive (that's smart to get calibrated).
1:47 is what I am shooting for. I have been throwing them a little earlier on some and just getting creamed.
I want it early enough to get some tug, late enough not to get yarded and land
It seems like a real fine line on when you loop it at some height and your prayers for landing (at least for me).