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Old 08-07-2004, 08:27 AM
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Default Gusty Wind and Upwind Obstructions

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anybody got expierience going under tall bridges.
for instance...is it best to have wind at 90 degrees so u can just make a downwind run out of it,
also is the turbulence on the other side crazy or do-able.
I would guess that you are thinking about the Skyway Bridge in Tampa. I have only driven over it and have not ridden in the area before. I know you guys hit that area a lot as the wind seems to favor the area.


from: http://www.figgbridge.com/

Lacking any practical experience with riding in the area of the bridge, some ideas come from a fluid mechanics perspective. I would imagine that you would have a lot of vortical shedding or eddies cast off downwind of the road bed which is "foil-like" in section. These eddies could extend downwind for a considerable distance and might behave a bit like rotor downwind of land based obstructions. Rotor gusts and lulls are a pain to kiteboard in. Then look at the mass of suspension cables, I am not sure what kind of disturbance field they would setup but it looks like it could be significant. Finally the primary span supports are large enough in diameter to shed some major eddies all on their own. The result if you are in wind shadow turbulence are gust and lull cycles.


Rotor, turbulence illustrated
From: http://www.aka.org.au/

Your kite would be flying in that messy stuff downwind of the obstruction. You might get some big air though, for a short time, if an eddy carries your kite up. Of course it will likely stall it and dump it shortly after that, ouch!


Another illustration of wind shadow induced rotor turbulence.


Being a bridge "wind dummy" or the first person to test these conditions may not be all that fun, particularly if some bizarre flow occurs in the area of the bridge. If the wind is side or side on to the bridge, the flow and eddy corridor could be quite wide and whip over a substantial area. Your kite would be closer to the eddy corridor cast off from the road bed, i.e. that is the area of higher wind speed and direction shifts. The degree of turbulence and lateral extent appear to increase at higher wind velocities. I think I would pass on it myself though it is an interesting problem to consider.

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Old 08-07-2004, 08:27 AM
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Default Gusty Wind and Upwind Obstructions

Quote:
Originally Posted by windowguy
anybody got expierience going under tall bridges.
for instance...is it best to have wind at 90 degrees so u can just make a downwind run out of it,
also is the turbulence on the other side crazy or do-able.
I would guess that you are thinking about the Skyway Bridge in Tampa. I have only driven over it and have not ridden in the area before. I know you guys hit that area a lot as the wind seems to favor the area.


from: http://www.figgbridge.com/

Lacking any practical experience with riding in the area of the bridge, some ideas come from a fluid mechanics perspective. I would imagine that you would have a lot of vortical shedding or eddies cast off downwind of the road bed which is "foil-like" in section. These eddies could extend downwind for a considerable distance and might behave a bit like rotor downwind of land based obstructions. Rotor gusts and lulls are a pain to kiteboard in. Then look at the mass of suspension cables, I am not sure what kind of disturbance field they would setup but it looks like it could be significant. Finally the primary span supports are large enough in diameter to shed some major eddies all on their own. The result if you are in wind shadow turbulence are gust and lull cycles.


Rotor, turbulence illustrated
From: http://www.aka.org.au/

Your kite would be flying in that messy stuff downwind of the obstruction. You might get some big air though, for a short time, if an eddy carries your kite up. Of course it will likely stall it and dump it shortly after that, ouch!


Another illustration of wind shadow induced rotor turbulence.


Being a bridge "wind dummy" or the first person to test these conditions may not be all that fun, particularly if some bizarre flow occurs in the area of the bridge. If the wind is side or side on to the bridge, the flow and eddy corridor could be quite wide and whip over a substantial area. Your kite would be closer to the eddy corridor cast off from the road bed, i.e. that is the area of higher wind speed and direction shifts. The degree of turbulence and lateral extent appear to increase at higher wind velocities. I think I would pass on it myself though it is an interesting problem to consider.

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